Hartford Citizens for Responsible Government

[LOP]

[b][size=24][/size]$28,000 & COUNTING

THANKS HCRG WHAT A WASTE OF OUR TAXES
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[admin]

[quote="LOP"][b][size=24][/size]$28,000 & COUNTING

THANKS HCRG WHAT A WASTE OF OUR TAXES
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Hi LOP -

Correction: Thank you goes to the Common Council - they could have resolved this at zero cost to the taxpayers a long time ago.

Admin.

[LOP]

[color=red][/color][size=24][/size]CORRECTION TO YOUR CORRECTION

THE TIME TO CORRECT THINGS YOU DON'T LIKE IS WHEN ELECTION TIME ROLLS AROUND, HINT, THAT IS WHAT ELECTIONS ARE FOR!

RECALLS ARE WHEN SOMEONE DOES A CRIME. DO NOT RECALL ANY NEWS OF ALDERPERSONS DOING A CRIME.

[admin]

[quote="LOP"][color=red][/color][size=24][/size]CORRECTION TO YOUR CORRECTION

THE TIME TO CORRECT THINGS YOU DON'T LIKE IS WHEN ELECTION TIME ROLLS AROUND, HINT, THAT IS WHAT ELECTIONS ARE FOR!

RECALLS ARE WHEN SOMEONE DOES A CRIME. DO NOT RECALL ANY NEWS OF ALDERPERSONS DOING A CRIME.[/quote]

I think you have "recall" confused with "impeachment". Impeachment is for crimes while in office, and Recall is used simply for voter dissatisfaction of the actions of an elected representative by his/her constituency.

Thank you for allowing us to clarify.

Admin

[Hartford_Resident]

[quote]Recall is used simply for voter dissatisfaction of the actions of an elected representative by his/her constituency.[/quote]

But when the majority of voters are in favor of not having a recall and support the incumbent (see results of the first recall) it is a waste of money. And who started the recall - a very vocal minority of citizens, some who are not even eligible to vote in the recall that they are pushing for.

Whether you want to admit it or not - the recalls costs are the direct result of HCRG not liking what the city leaders did. By the results of the first recall election - it shows that the rest of the citizens are in favor

So why doesn't HCRG actually pay for the costs they are making the majority of the citizens pay for. Oh that's right - it's not your group who is creating the costs it's the city. I don't see anyone in the city asking for special elections - just you. So in my book and probably most every one else - HCRG is the one who is causing the costs, not the city.

If you don't like how the city is being run - move - otherwise learn that not everything is going to go the way you would like it to and deal with it. I don't like the cost of the recall - but I can't do anythign about it except complain because HCRG won't stop forcing the city to spend money on something the majority of citizens do not believe in (ie the recall elections)

If this group every wants to be taken seriously and I think you could - you have to stop acting like children when things don't go your way. You don't like Walmart - fine alot of people don't. There are also a lot of people who want to go there. If you don't like it - don't shop there, you will then reduce the traffic going back and force, and reduce everything else you are complaining about.

[admin]

Hi HR -

Piece by piece -
[quote="Hartford_Resident"]But when the majority of voters are in favor of not having a recall and support the incumbent (see results of the first recall) it is a waste of money. And who started the recall - a very vocal minority of citizens, some who are not even eligible to vote in the recall that they are pushing for.

Whether you want to admit it or not - the recalls costs are the direct result of HCRG not liking what the city leaders did. By the results of the first recall election - it shows that the rest of the citizens are in favor

So why doesn't HCRG actually pay for the costs they are making the majority of the citizens pay for. Oh that's right - it's not your group who is creating the costs it's the city. I don't see anyone in the city asking for special elections - just you. So in my book and probably most every one else - HCRG is the one who is causing the costs, not the city.[/quote]

Again, had the common council respected the fact that there was massive opposition to the project and put it to a referendum, it would not have cost a single penny. And you are right - we don't see anyone at the city level asking anything at all, which is why our group was formed in the first place.

[quote="Hartford_Resident"]If you don't like how the city is being run - move - otherwise learn that not everything is going to go the way you would like it to and deal with it. I don't like the cost of the recall - but I can't do anythign about it except complain because HCRG won't stop forcing the city to spend money on something the majority of citizens do not believe in (ie the recall elections)[/quote]

We also don't like the costs involved in the recall. All we are doing is trying to make sure that we really are a minority. The city STILL has not yet asked the residents yet whether or not they want
[list]* a Wal-mart Super-center or even a Wal-Mart retail center in Hartford
* a 150-acre major commercial development (or any commercial development) on the west side of Hartford
* up to additional 16,000 car trips through Hartford's main intersection (just from Wal-Mart alone, not the additional development that will come along with it)
* the continued unchecked growth that results in over-crowded schools, traffic congestion (especially truck traffic), stretched infratructure, empty living quarters, 7-year inventory of land waiting to be developed (already annexed), damage to the environment, and possible economic damage
* to rather encourage development on the east side of Hartford where roads are already built to handle the traffic and land is also available.[/list:u]
So, no one knows yet where the majority of the residents stand on these issues. Why are they (city leaders) so afraid to ask?

[quote="Hartford_Resident"]If this group every wants to be taken seriously and I think you could - you have to stop acting like children when things don't go your way. You don't like Walmart - fine alot of people don't. There are also a lot of people who want to go there. If you don't like it - don't shop there, you will then reduce the traffic going back and force, and reduce everything else you are complaining about.[/quote]

Granted, if Wal-Mart comes (and chances are that it will), alot of us won't shop there. But if we do decide to shop at a Wal-Mart, there are 10 retail centers and 4 supercenters all within 30 miles, including the Supercenter in West Bend, which according to Wal-Mart's web site is just 10.4 miles away.

Regardless of the outcome, the HCRG will monitor happenings at City Hall, and let them know through the media and this forum, so people can make up their own minds and let their representatives know how they feel on the topics. That hasn't happened around here for a long time.

Thank you for your input.

Admin

[LOP]

Please explain what I heard a few days ago, plus what we read in todays paper that many of your members & officers do not even live in Hartford.

What say You?

[admin]

[quote="LOP"]Please explain what I heard a few days ago, plus what we read in todays paper that many of your members & officers do not even live in Hartford.

What say You?[/quote]

Hi LOP -

To the best of my knowledge, of all of the people supporting the HCRG whether actively, passively, or just financially[list]
* one lives in the town of Polk, and is active in the HCRG because of the City's attempt to block incorporation of the town of Richfield and as a former member of a now defunct taxpayer's PAC
* one lives in Richfield, active also due to the Richfiled incorporation issue, and is active in another PAC actively attempting to block expansion of Hwy 164 to 4 lanes
* two others live in neighboring communities, but own businesses in the city of Hartford
* one other, though not a "member" of the HCRG, is from Milwaukee and a member of the Wisconsin CRG (not associated with the HCRG), and is present at the request of the HCRG in an advisory capacity only[/list:u]
There are approximately 55 others (roughly 20 active, the others either passive or financial support only) that are all residents of Hartford.

Regarding the "officers", there are two - the spokesperson for the group is a Hartford resident, and our Treasurer is one of the Hartford business owners that lives in a neighboring community.

May I ask the source of your information so that we may correct it with them?

Thank you for your input.

Admin